Wednesday, March 08, 2017

How Should We Then Live?

The philosophy of Arthur Schopenhauer, which we’ve been discussing for several weeks now, isn’t usually approached from the angle by which I’ve been approaching it—that is, as a way to talk about the gap between what we think we know about the world and what we actually know about it. The aspect of his work that usually gets all the publicity is the ethical dimension.

That’s understandable but it’s also unfortunate, because the ethical dimension of Schopenhauer’s philosophy is far and away the weakest part of it. It’s not going too far to say that once he started talking about ethics, Schopenhauer slipped on a banana peel dropped in his path by his own presuppositions, and fell flat on his nose. The banana peel in question is all the more embarrassing in that he spent much of the first half of The World as Will and Representation showing that you can’t make a certain kind of statement without spouting nonsense, and then turned around and based much of the second half on exactly that kind of statement.

Let’s review the basic elements of Schopenhauer’s thinking. First, the only things we can experience are our own representations. There’s probably a real world out there—certainly that hypothesis explains the consistency of our representations with one another, and with those reported by (representations of) other people, with less handwaving than any other theory—but all the data we get from the world out there amounts to a thin trickle of sensory data, which we then assemble into representations of things using a set of prefab templates provided partly by our species’ evolutionary history and partly by habits we picked up in early childhood. How much those representations have to do with what’s actually out there is a really good question that’s probably insoluble in principle.

Second, if we pay attention to our experience, we encounter one thing that isn’t a representation—the will. You don’t experience the will, you encounter its effects, but everything you experience is given its framing and context by the will. Is it “your” will?  The thing you call “yourself” is a representation like any other; explore it using any of at least three toolkits—sustained introspection, logical analysis, and scientific experimentation—and you’ll find that what’s underneath the representation of a single self that chooses and wills is a bundle of blind forces, divergent and usually poorly coordinated, that get in each other’s way, interfere with each other’s actions, and produce the jumbled and self-defeating mess that by and large passes for ordinary human behavior.

Third, the point just made is difficult for us to accept because our culture prefers to think of the universe as consisting of mind and matter—more precisely, active, superior, personal mind and passive, inferior, impersonal matter. Schopenhauer pokes at both of these concepts and finds them wanting. What we call mind, from his perspective, is simply one of the more complex and less robust grades of will—it’s what happens when the will gets sufficiently tangled and bashed about that it picks up the habit of representing a world to itself, so that it can use that as a map to avoid the more obvious sources of pain. Matter is a phantom—an arbitrarily defined “stuff” we use to pretend that our representations really do exist out there in reality.

Fourth, since the only things we encounter when we examine the world are representations, on the one hand, and will in its various modes on the other, we really don’t have any justification for claiming that anything else actually exists. Maybe there are all kinds of other things out there in the cosmos, but if all we actually encounter are will and representations, and a description of the cosmos as representation and will makes sense of everything we meet with in the course of life, why pile up unnecessary hypotheses just because our cultural habits of thought beg for them?

Thus the world Schopenhauer presents to us is the world we encounter—provided that we do in fact pay attention to what we encounter, rather than insisting that our representations are realities and our culturally engrained habits of thought are more real than the things they’re supposed to explain. The difficulty, of course, is that imagining a universe of mind and matter allows us to pretend that our representations are objective realities and that thoughts about things are more real than the things themselves—and both of these dodges are essential to the claim, hammered into the cultural bedrock of contemporary industrial society, that we and we alone know the pure unvarnished truth about things.

From Schopenhauer’s perspective, that’s exactly what none of us can know. We can at best figure out that when this representation appears, that representation will usually follow, and work out formal models—we call these scientific theories—that allow us to predict, more or less, the sequence of representations that appear in certain contexts. We can’t even do that much reliably when things get complex enough; at that point we have to ditch the formal models and just go with narrative patterns, the way I’ve tried to do in discussing the ways that civilizations decline and fall.

Notice that this implies that the more general a statement is, the further removed it is from that thin trickle of sensory data on which the whole world of representations is based, and the more strictly subjective it is. That means, in turn, that any value judgment applied to existence as a whole must be utterly subjective, an expression of the point of view of the person making that judgment, rather than any kind of objective statement about existence itself.

There’s the banana peel on which Schopenhauer slipped, because having set up the vision of existence I’ve just described, he turned around and insisted that existence is objectively awful and the only valid response to it for anyone, anywhere, is to learn to nullify the will to live and, in due time, cease to be.

Is that one possible subjective response to the world in which we find ourselves? Of course, and some people seem to find it satisfying. Mind you, the number of them that actually go out of their way to cease existing is rather noticeably smaller than the number who find such notions pleasing in the abstract. Schopenhauer himself is a helpful example. Having insisted in print that all pleasure is simply a prelude to misery and an ascetic lifestyle ending in extinction is the only meaningful way to live, he proceeded to live to a ripe old age, indulging his taste for fine dining, music, theater, and the more than occasional harlot. I’m not sure how you’d translate “do what I say, not what I do” into classical Greek, but it would have made an appropriate epigraph for The World as Will and Representation.

Now of course a failure to walk one’s talk is far from rare among intellectuals, especially those of ascetic leanings, and the contrast between Schopenhauer’s ideals and his actions doesn’t disprove the value of the more strictly epistemological part of his work. It does, however, point up an obvious contradiction in his thinking. Accept the basic assumptions of his philosophy, after all, and it follows that the value judgments we apply to the representations we encounter are just as much a product of our own minds as the representations themselves; they’re not objective qualities of the things we judge, even though we’re used to treating them that way.

We treat them that way, in turn, because for the last two millennia or so it’s been standard for prophetic religious traditions to treat them that way. By “prophetic religious traditions” I mean those that were founded by individual persons—Gautama the Buddha, Jesus of Nazareth, Muhammad, and so on—or were reshaped in the image of such faiths, the way Judaism was reshaped in the image of the Zoroastrian religion after the Babylonian captivity. (As Raphael Patai pointed out in quite some detail a while back in his book The Hebrew Goddess, Judaism wasn’t monotheistic until the Jews picked up that habit from their Zoroastrian Persian liberators; quite a few other traits of post-Exilic Judaism, such as extensive dietary taboos, also have straightforward Zoroastrian origins.)

A range of contrasts separate the prophetic religions from the older polytheist folk religions that they supplanted over most of the world, but one of the crucial points of difference is in value judgments concerning human behavior—or, as we tend to call them these days, moral judgments. The gods and goddesses of folk religions are by and large no more moral, or interested in morality, than the forces of nature they command and represent; some expect human beings to maintain certain specific customs—Zeus, for example, was held by the ancient Greeks to punish those who violated traditional rules of hospitality—but that was about it. The deities central to most prophetic religions, by contrast, are all about moral judgment.

The scale of the shift can be measured easily enough from the words “morals” and “ethics” themselves. It’s become popular of late to try to make each of these mean something different, but the only actual difference between them is that “morals” comes from Latin and “ethics” comes from Greek. Back in classical times, though, they had a shared meaning that isn’t the one given to them today. The Latin word moralia derives from mores, the Greek word ethike derives from ethoi, and mores and ethoi both mean “customs” or “habits,” without the language of judgment associated with the modern words.

To grasp something of the difference, it’s enough to pick up a copy of Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics, by common consent the most important work of what we’d now call moral philosophy that came out of the ancient world. It’s not ethics or morals in any modern sense of the word; it’s a manual on how to achieve personal greatness, and it manages to discuss most of the territory now covered by ethics without ever stooping to the kind of moral denunciation that pervades ethical thought in our time.

Exactly why religion and morality got so thoroughly conflated in the prophetic religions is an interesting historical question, and one that deserves more space than a fraction of one blog post can provide. The point I want to address here is the very difficult fit between the sharp limits on human knowledge and the sweeping presuppositions of moral knowledge that modern societies have inherited from the age of prophetic religions. If we don’t actually know anything but our representations, and can draw only tentative conclusions from them, do we really know enough to make sweeping generalizations about good and evil?

The prophetic religions themselves actually have a workable response to that challenge. Most of them freely admit that human beings don’t have the capacity to judge rightly between good and evil without help, and go on to argue that this is why everyone needs to follow the rules set down in scripture as interpreted by the religious specialists of their creed. Grant the claim that their scriptures were actually handed down from a superhumanly wise source, and it logically follows that obeying the moral rules included in the scriptures is a reasonable action. It’s the basic claim, of course, that’s generally the sticking point; since every prophetic religion has roughly the same evidence backing its claim to divine inspiration as every other, and their scriptures all contradict one another over important moral issues, it’s not exactly easy to draw straightforward conclusions from them.

Their predicament is a good deal less complex, though, than that of people who’ve abandoned the prophetic religions of their immediate ancestors and still want to make sweeping pronouncements about moral goodness and evil. It’s here that the sly, wry, edgy voice of Friedrich Nietzsche becomes an unavoidable presence, because the heart of his philosophy was an exploration of what morality means once a society can no longer believe that its tribal taboos were handed down intact, and will be enforced via thunderbolt or eternal damnation, by the creator of the universe.

Nietzsche’s philosophical writings are easy to misunderstand, and he very likely meant that to be the case. Where Schopenhauer proceeded step by step through a single idea in all its ramifications, showing that the insight at the core of his vision makes sense of the entire world of our experience, Nietzsche wrote in brief essays and aphorisms, detached from one another, dancing from theme to theme. He was less interested in convincing people than in making them think; each of the short passages that makes up his major philosophical works is meant to be read, pondered, and digested on its own. All in all, his books make excellent bathroom reading—and I suspect that Nietzsche himself would have been amused by that approach to his writings..

The gravitational center around which Nietzsche’s various thought experiments orbited, though, was a challenge to the conventional habits of moral discourse in his time and ours. For those who believe in a single, omniscient divine lawgiver, it makes perfect sense to talk about morals in the way that most people in his time and ours do in fact talk about them—that is to say, as though there’s some set of moral rules that are clearly set out and incontrovertibly correct, and the task of the moral philosopher is to badger and bully his readers into doing what they know they ought to do anyway.

From any other perspective, on the other hand, that approach to talking about morals is frankly bizarre. It’s not just that every set of moral rules that claims to have been handed down by the creator of the universe contradicts every other such set, though of course this is true. It’s that every such set of rules has proven unsatisfactory when applied to human beings. The vast amount of unnecessary misery that’s resulted from historical Christianity’s stark terror of human sexuality is a case in point, though it’s far from the only example, and far from the worst.

Yet, of course, most of us do talk about moral judgments as though we know what we’re talking about, and that’s where Nietszche comes in. Here’s his inimitable voice, from the preface to Beyond Good and Evil, launching a discussion of the point at issue:

“Supposing truth to be a woman—what? Is the suspicion not well founded that all philosophers, when they have been dogmatists, have had little understanding of women? That the gruesome earnestness, the clumsy importunity with which they have hitherto been in the habit of approaching truth have been inept and improper means for winning a wench? Certainly she has not let herself be won—and today every kind of dogmatism stands sad and discouraged.”

Nietzsche elsewhere characterized moral philosophy as the use of bad logic to prop up inherited prejudices. The gibe’s a good one, and generally far more accurate than not, but again it’s easy to misunderstand. Nietzsche was not saying that morality is a waste of time and we all ought to run out and do whatever happens to come into our heads, from whatever source. He was saying that we don’t yet know the first thing about morality, because we’ve allowed bad logic and inherited prejudices to get in the way of asking the necessary questions—because we haven’t realized that we don’t yet have any clear idea of how to live.

To a very great extent, if I may insert a personal reflection here, this realization has been at the heart of this blog’s project since its beginning. The peak oil crisis that called The Archdruid Report into being came about because human beings have as yet no clear idea how to get along with the biosphere that supports all our lives; the broader theme that became the core of my essays here over the years, the decline and fall of industrial civilization, shows with painful clarity that human beings have as yet no clear idea how to deal with the normal and healthy cycles of historical change; the impending fall of the United States’ global empire demonstrates the same point on a more immediate and, to my American readers, more personal scale. Chase down any of the varied ramblings this blog has engaged in over the years, and you’ll find that most if not all of them have the same recognition at their heart: we don’t yet know how to live, and maybe we should get to work figuring that out.

I’d like to wind up this week’s post with three announcements. First of all, I’m delighted to report that the latest issue of the deindustrial-SF quarterly Into the Ruins is now available. Those of you who’ve read previous issues know that you’re in for a treat; those who haven’t—well, what are you waiting for? Those of my readers who bought a year’s subscription when Into the Ruins first launched last year should also keep in mind that it’s time to re-up, and help support one of the few venues for science fiction about the kind of futures we’re actually likely to get once the fantasy of perpetual progress drops out from under us and we have to start coping with the appalling mess that we’ve made of things.

Second, I’m equally delighted to announce that a book of mine that’s been out of print for some years is available again. The Academy of the Sword is the most elaborate manual of sword combat ever written; it was penned in the early seventeenth century by Gerard Thibault, one of the greatest European masters of the way of the sword, and published in 1630, and it bases its wickedly effective fencing techniques on Renaissance Pythagorean sacred geometry. I spent almost a decade translating it out of early modern French and finally got it into print in 2006, but the original publisher promptly sank under a flurry of problems that were partly financial and partly ethical. Now the publisher of my books Not the Future We Ordered and Twilight’s Last Gleaming has brought it back into print in an elegant new hardback edition. New editions of my first two published books, Paths of Wisdom and Circles of Power, are under preparation with the same publisher as I write this, so it’s shaping up to be a pleasant spring for me.

Finally, this will be the last post of The Archdruid Report for a while. I have a very full schedule in the weeks immediately ahead, and several significant changes afoot in my life, and won’t be able to keep up the weekly pace of blog posts while those are happening. I’m also busily sorting through alternative platforms for future blogging and social media—while I’m grateful to Blogger for providing a free platform for my blogging efforts over the past eleven years, each recent upgrade has made it more awkward to use, and it’s probably time to head elsewhere. When I resume blogging, it will thus likely be on a different platform, and quite possibly with a different name and theme. I’ll post something here and on the other blog once things get settled. In the meantime, have a great spring, and keep asking the hard questions even when the talking heads insist they have all the answers.


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Agent Provocateur said...


Thank you

Best wishes to you both

Abdulmonem Othman said...

May you enjoy your recess and hope you give time for pondering the inspirational process as verifiable experience proved by many and do not dismiss what is outside the preview of the last two kits because it is the realm of the first kit,introspective,meditative,imaginative faculties for those who can honestly used them. God is consciousness and your consciousness is part of it and you have to thank god for letting you be a portal for his consciousness which so many humans often time claim for themselves in complete oblivion of who make think and talk. and endowed with the ability to express it beautifully and logically but away from the humility, the state of wisdom that never deny or assert anything without full evidential knowledge. No wonder we do not know how to live.

beetleswamp said...

That was a perfect way to wrap it up. I feel the loss but at the same time you gave me plenty of homework and a good jumping off point. Thank you for making such a big impact in my life and I look forward to your next incarnation.

Dylan said...

Gods speed, John Michael Greer. Whatever lies ahead for you, you have already made a world of difference.

As wonderful as it is to read the record of your work in the comments above, I will speak for myself when I say that the far-reaching vision and practical sensibilities of your writing have lifted me through some very difficult times. It is not clear to me now what I would have relied on time and again to re-centre and return to the task at hand if not for your words. "We don’t yet know how to live." How rich and promising an invitation! There is a greater life to be lived, and you have set its image before us.

All the best in your transition, and do let us know how and when we'll see you again.

Turkus Maximus said...

Dear Archdruid... I discovered you and this blog by way of the Dark Mountain Collective only a few months ago and it felt like coming home. For you to be leaving the party just as I have arrived leaves me feeling somewhat bereft; even though I have years of posts and comments to catch up on I will feel the absence of your real-time presence keenly. Thank you for existing in exactly the way you do, and for sharing yourself in this way.

...and Dear Commenters thank you, too, for making an already rich experience all the more so with your lovely and excellent discourse. I will miss it just as much. And in that vein, could anyone recommend other blogs that come even marginally close to some of the topics JMG has so adroitly explored?

Again, thank you very much. I so look forward to your next incarnation.

Sarah T

susan said...

For as long as you're gone I will miss you.
Wherever you go I will find you.

You have managed to light up our lives.

May all go well for you and Sara.

LunarApprentice said...

Is "How Then Shall We Live?" a seque into Well of Galabes? I just reread the opening post of Galabes, June, 2014, and it concerns... Representations. I haven't haven't had time to digest this thought, but ADR readers might want to explore it.

lordyburd said...

Dear Mr. Greer

When I read your last paragraph, I was a bit shocked. Like so many here the ADR had become a staple food for me. But perhaps it is for the best. It would be terrible to continue a project, out of a need for nostalgia, and see it deteriorate into senility.

I cannot thank you enough for all the transformative changes your writing has catalysed within me. Quite apart from transforming my 'world', my 'man-old', I wouldn't have believed, even three months ago, that someone like me could ever have the will to wake up, pray, meditate and exercise without fail, EVERY SINGLE DAY!

So Thank You! Truly. And may your gods smile upon you

Kevin Anderson K9IUA said...

I am going to be selfish for a minute and hope that you when you do come back online, that you are not behind a paywall.

Besides losing you this week, Dmitry Orlov has decided to put his site, Cluborlov, behind a paywall at the same time. So the pain is even worse in that I've lost my two favorite web authors in one week's time. You are the only two web authors that I regularly read each week.

Kevin Anderson

Violet Cabra said...

Dear John Michael Greer,

Thank you so much for your 11 years of weekly meditations. They've provided an enormously helpful perspective for me as I pick my way through the woods. I consider it very honorable that you are choosing to wrap up the blog after coming to its central theme, rather than continue past the point of diminishing returns, like the corporations in the Lakeland Republic. I wish you and your family the very best on your journey and with the changes you are dealing with and am eager to continue reading your writing when you resume on a public forum.

best wishes,

Chester said...

Sorry to hear you're on another break. Will have to go elsewhere for my weekly dose of perspective. But I wish you luck!

Kevin Warner said...

I have just started reading all your writings since you started your blog back in '06 which in itself is a bit of a revelation, when I came across the following passage-

"This leads to the third symptom of knowing only one story, which is rage. Failure is a gift because it offers the opportunity for learning, but if the gift is too emotionally difficult to accept, the easy way out is to take refuge in rage. When we get angry with people who disagree with us about politics or religion, I'm coming to think, what really angers us is the fact that our one story doesn't fit the universe everywhere and always, and those who disagree with us simply remind us of that uncomfortable fact."

My god - if that is not a description of the 2016 post election reactions, then I do not know what is.

Tripp said...

If you didn't see my other post about selling our off-grid property, here is a link to my blog, which describes it more fully. And it's my first blog post in several months! Lots of pictures of the homestead. Hope you enjoy.


Helen Wagner said...

To add one more voice on the same theme: I am so grateful for the work you have done with the Archdruid Report, which I have read every week since maybe 2007 or 2008. Your teaching has been profoundly important to me, and you have articulated many concepts which I had instinctively felt but did not know how to explain in discussion with other people. Incidentally it has helped me to understand better the points of view of those people with whom I disagreed.
Although I have never joined in the discussion on the comments page, I also gained so much from reading the intelligent insights and suggestions of other readers. Your generous and patient replies to those comments often illuminated points of the week's essay that I had failed to grasp, so thank you for everything. I have quite a few of your books already on my shelf and will certainly keep on reading what you write, whatever form that takes. Best wishes.


Sven Eriksen said...

Thank you, JMG. That was one wild ride.

Unknown said...

I can't help thinking that we have indeed turned a page. That the time for preparations and warnings is over. A new chapter is about to begin. Looking forward to seeing where you turn up.


Jo said...

Is anybody slightly concerned that Mr Archdruid has left the building AT THE SAME TIME as a giant group of whales is assembling in the waters off the tip of South Africa?

Also, the title of this post is taken from the Book of Ezekiel at the time of the fall of Jerusalem in 586 BCE.

It all seems a little sinister..

I really need to get those rainwater tanks put in.

Dear JMG, please don't join in the whale rapture. Stay here and help us figure out how we should then live. Clearly we haven't done well with that over the last several hundred years. I'm thinking we may need to start over and that is going to take a lot of hands to the tiller.

nuku said...

To all,
In addition to dropping a contribution into the virtual tip jar at the top of the page, may I suggest that those of you who still have a functioning library with real physical books nearby ask your librarian to order some of JMG’s books. I’ve done that here in Nelson NZ, and so far they’ve bought 2 books. Its a twofer: JMG gets his cut and some lucky folks get the benefit of his wisdom.

hapibeli said...

What we need is a well made movie of the short stories from the "Amerigan Tales" and "REtrotopia".

Patricia Mathews said...

I don't think he's swimming in the Whale Dream - his element seems to be Earth. Mountains. Pat, just back form the seashore near and in San Diego.

And yes. I can only speak for myself, but the tides of my life are moving very rapidly indeed. Among other things, a massive upheaval in the shoe department as my foot problems are traced to a need to go a size up in everything. Plus eyes and hips and upheavals among my friends .... oh, blessed Equinox, out here under the rule of Rabbit and Coyote.

Alfredo Vespucci said...

"How shall we then live"?
With love in our hearts.

ken the gardener said...

The Archdruid Report - The Blogger Years All of the essays and the comments, with the comments section arranged with question and comments preceding responses individually for easy reading. About 20 book-pages average per week * 52 weeks per year * about 11 years..........11,440 pages................... Best of luck in all your endeavors, John. Please post where to find your interviews and videos of your presentations. This is a bit like quitting smoking cold turkey! Thank you so much for your years of work sharing knowledge.

brokeboater said...

Adieu my friend. While I'll admit your recent political posts got under my skin, and I don't think I'm alone, I've greatly enjoyed the few times I've read your posts. I thank you for your insights and wish you well. I'll be looking for your further writings. Until then I might spend some time perusing past posts of yours I've missed.

Ethan La Coursiere said...

Well, they do say all good things, even those as beautiful and longstanding as The Archdruid Report, must eventually come to an end. Thank you for a marvelous 11 years, and I do hope I find this blog in its revived form. Something as good and necessary as this blog is far too precious to end after such a short time.

tiotiomi said...

For those of us scrounging around the internet for something worthwhile (and a propos) to read while The Archdruid Report retools, there was a comment by Doctor Westchester at the end of the post A Leap in the Dark where he recommended (and seconded by Ed Suominen) Granola Shotgun – Stories About Urbanism, Adaptation, and Resilience.

I went over and had a look (, and it's a wonderful blog. It easily fills my commute time and is so complementary with the topics (and comments) published here.

Well worth your time while we twiddle our collective thumbs and send our good wishes.

Cortes said...

Thanks for all the great essays.

I hope that the linked article gives you as big a laugh as it did me:

Best wishes


Fred the First said...

How is it that you JMG come to do a talk 20 minutes from my house and I have no idea? Saw it posted on KMO's Facebook page. We were in Philly for the day and I am shocked and disappointed to have missed your talk. Could have gotten my stack of books autographed too.

Matt said...


selfishly, I'm hoping that whatever you choose to do next is as fascinating and helpful to me as this blog has been.

In any case, I wish you both well for the future, and success in your all your endeavours.

Kind Regards,


David, by the lake said...


With respect to the broad theme of TADR, and for a recent academic assessment of our civilization's converging crises, I'd like to recommend Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed's monograph Failing States, Collapsing Systems: Biophysical Triggers of Political Violence which was published by Springer this year.

stravinsky7 said...

Off like Gandalf, I see. !!

Nancy Sutton said...

Have a great adventure, John and Sarah : ) And, while I'll miss your weekly generosity, you're still available, on call, in all your books... thanks.

Justin said...

I just finished watching JMG appear here - a great talk by a who's who of peak oil - missing only Stoneleigh, Gail and Ugo Bardi and of course the late Ruppert.

zedinhisbigflyinghead said...

Seems to me that will and entropy are closely bound.
Quantifiable proxy? Surely no...

Anyways its 12.00 here - Feel the urge to store some more energy - yumm ;)

All the best

RAnderson said...

For those already well into ADR withdrawal, let us hope that the interregnum will be brief, meantime, here's a link to the most exceptional and lively group CFPUP panel discussion broadcast from Triode Studios in Lancaster PA last Saturday, including our host and also our old friends Jim Kunstler, Dimitry Orlov, Chris Martenson, and introducing Frank Morris, the latter being previously unfamiliar to me but also most insightful. All in all brilliant and time well spent!

Kevin Warner said...

You just never know where you Archdruid's influences may pop up. In the "Australian Defence Force Journal" for Issue No. 182 in 2010 there is an article called "Lasers or Longbows? A Paradox of Military Technology" by a Major Cameron Leckie, Australian Army ( - PDF 6.4 MB, page 44) who makes mention of one of JMG's writings as part of this article.
This article does not carry it's conclusions far enough but if even half of what JMG says is true about our de-industrialised future, then I can see the Australian and American forces in a hundred years time consisting of mostly horse cavalry again. Hmmm. Maybe we should all go long in leather and saddle futures instead of tinned baked beans & shotguns like current thought?

Stephen cook said...

Good evening. My name is Stephen Cook and I am writing this post in the UK. I have now been reading your blog for some months and am very grateful for it. With that in mind, I was wondering if there was a means by which I might be able to download all of your previous blog posts from this site and so be able to read them in full offline?

G E Canterbury said...

Well, while we are waiting for the other Archdruid shoe to drop... and in the spirit of the day... there are certain consequences of the myth of progress that have not been fully considered.

Miss you JMG - Best regards.

Patricia Mathews said...

Just FYI: Dana Blankenhorn actually makes sense for once!

Instead of blithering on about how "tech" - apparently in his mind a well-defined entity with agency and will - must beat Trump, he offers this analysis:

Meanwhile, David Brin departed reason for religion last week with:

"If you have any notions of progress, of wanting your descendants to bestride the stars, then reject the blithering-dopey "cycles of history and "The Fourth Turning" and "we're all doomed" rants of those who would turn away from science and wonder."

PRiZM said...

Only one of many possible reasons for us to live, for those who will come after us. As quoted from Fahrenheit 451

"And when the war's over, some day, some
year, the books can be written again, the people will be called in, one by one, to recite what they
know and we'll set it up in type until another Dark Age, when we might have to do the whole
damn thing over again. But that's the wonderful thing about man; he never gets so discouraged or
disgusted that he gives up doing it all over again, because he knows very well it is important and
worth the doing."

Personally now, after the years of reading and considering all this philosophy, I can't help but think this has all happened before and we can only help but allow it all to happen again yet preserve as much intact as is possible. Maybe something more useful will go forward, and maybe not. But at least we have tried.

With that said, I encourage others to try journaling and expressing their attempts at allowing ideas to go forward. Personally, seems a good avenue for doing so. For each, find the way that makes the most sense to you.

Thanks again JMG! I really look forward to the phoenix being reborn.

Justin said...

Kevin, that article from the Australian defense journal is great. Cavalry in 100 years? Nah - I expect firearms of some description to feature in warfare for a long time to come - but it is worth considering that pack animals have been used in every major war of the 20th century. Only the rich Western nations could, post WW2 do everything with trucks. Even in World War 2, the Americans used only one gallon of gas per soldier per day in Europe. The Germans actually used an incredible amount of horses for logistics - especially as they lost access to oil fields and had to conserve every drop for tanks and planes.

Andreas Remar said...

Hello John Michael Greer and everyone else!

I've made a simple Python program that will download the complete archive of The Archdruid Report and store it as simplified HTML files on your hard drive. You can find it here:

If you need help running it, ask around and you'll probably find someone with Python experience not too far away.

And of course, thank you Mr. Greer for all your thoughts about our future.


David, by the lake said...


A quick update on local Wisconsin politics. My second attempt proved successful and last night I was elected to a seat on my city council. I'm one of nine, but hope to make a difference.
It all starts with the personal and the local.

Κασσάνδρα said...

Thank you John Michael Greer for everything.

All good things end sometime, after all we are only mortal humans as Menander said:
"Θνητός γεγονώς άνθρωπε, μη φρόνει μέγα." ("Human, since you were born mortal, do not think of greatness.")

I wish you the very best and hope to read again your marvelous essays in the near future.

Unknown said...

Congrats, Mr Greer.

It seems you have won a fan, and with him, a whole new readership awaits.

see here:

Thanks for your past work, leadership, and general good humour.

Looking forward to your next adventure.

eagle eye

brothermartin said...

I've been following your blog for years, appreciating your wisdom, humor, and insight, and now you haven't posted for a month, with no explanation. I hope all is well with you. Thank you so much for what you do!

brothermartin said...

Oops...just reread the end of your last post, which I think I must have been distracted from doing a month ago when you wrote--hope to hear from you again soon!

Christopher said...

Great stuff. I can argue here and there but you've gone to the essence of our problem which struck me around 1990. We have no real metaphysical/mythological framework to base our morality on as Nietzsche noted back then but we've acquired some virtual "values" which are based on fragments of these frameworks that are attempting to merge into a new whole that fully encompasses our current human situation. This is happening through our being a being that is not separate or alienated.

The most important thing we can do beyond any social, economic, political or intellectual revolution that is even remotely possible is to examine and creatively nurture this emergent system with all our abilities and energy. This may or may not involve metaphysical speculation but rather living a whole life and paying attention to everything that draws us out. In my own life, and in those around me is see the energy of withdrawing, of shutting down, warring with the forces of exapansion and life. It it the Freudian struggle between Eros and Thanatos that I see playing out more nakedly in life than I've ever seen in my life. People know that there is no basis for their moral ideas so they either try to hide from that thought or embrace it by stepping out and wrestling with those forces within our own system which is a combination of, as the I Ching describes it, the "Great Man" and the "Inferior Man" which means that part of us linked to "heaven" (or higher consciousness) and the practical world of our contemporary "reality."

M Smith said...

Congratulations, David by the Lake! Now, go make a difference!

jokerstii said...

JMG: It's urgent. The ease with which the spell was cast that veiled the truth of Assad's use of gas is frightening. The depth of self deception goes well beyond what we saw with Iraq. I hope that your future endeavors include teaching us how we can guard against, if not break, these spells, before they spell our own doom. Never too late. p.s. Followed you out of the Oil Drum many moons ago. You are one of the few, if not the only, preacher of positive action. ( I can't go on; I'll go on. Both sentiments intact.)

Cam Farnell said...

@Andreas Remar

Great idea! Tried the Python program without success. On line 8 of there is a clearly incorrect reference to what was apparently a local file on your machine for testing, but even with that commented out there are zero matches found in the code just below. Suggestions?

Scotlyn said...

Hello, much has changed since I set myself a Lenten challenge related to this blog. It turns out your last few posts brought one of your educational assignments right into my mind's own living room - read a book from a different century, read a book that you feel like hurling across the room, you'd counselled. Schopenhauer was definitely both of those for me.

I will thank you for the process. It has been an interesting six weeks, and ideas that were pupating at the start have begun to emerge into the light to briefly represent themselves in colour, beauty and purpose.

I thank you for the enchantment laid upon all the pages of this blog - such that many will, as I did, read and "wake up" to the awareness that there is work to be done and the grace that there is a work that is mine to do.

Be well.

Repent said...

Really, really missing the weekly essays. Especially now that Trump has pulled an 'Obama' and betrayed everything he stood for by backing the neo-con agenda. Still waiting patiently for the new platform...

Bright City said...

Dear Archdruid-- I miss you so much! It is Thursday, when for years I have looked forward to your words. Everything is so very fraught right now that I feel their absence painfully. I hope you are thriving, and I hope you come back soon.

Nancy Sutton said...

I'd be grateful for a ... monthly post... : )

Nancy Sutton said...

... forgot to add, I've found a lot 'of you' on YouTube : )

miltonics said...

Looking forward to seeing what you're up to next!

ken the gardener said...

Where art thou, JMG?

TeeCee said...

I feel the topic of your last few essays was perhaps the most interesting and valuable to me out of all your excellent essays. I feel quite a loss from your having stopped "just when it was getting good" ....

OK - I'm on the hook. Reel me in. I will buy your book, subscribe to your blog, whatever it may be. Your work is excellent and valuable to me, and you deserve to be paid for it.

I will keep watch here for a hopeful sign.

Thank you for all that you have freely given. It is valuable beyond price.

John Michael Greer said...

Just a fast note for all those who are still reading -- the new blogging platform is largely put together, and just needs a little more tinkering. Stay tuned for an announcement later this month, and -- if current plans hold up -- a return to regular blogging around the summer solstice.

oneiller78 said...

phew, I thought we'd lost you

Christopher Carlisle said...

Your wisdom and insight are very much in need during these troubled times.

Peter VE said...

Thanks for your update. I think I can make it to the Solstice....

Ben Johnson said...

bless us along with the solstice!

Gottfried Wilhelm Melvin Hicks-Leibniz said...

Thanks for the update John!
Will the new format continue as "weekly doses of wisdom" ? :-)

Macando said...

That will make for a nice solstice, JMG!

nephilimsd said...

I'm very glad that I checked in. After reading The Archdruid Report for years, it's been a long couple of months without a regular fix. Thank you Mr. Greer!

susan said...

Still reading and still waiting patiently - although that last part has been difficult. It's good to see you have a potential return to posting date in mind. My other hope is that you'll leave ADR and Well of Galabes available for readers playing catchup and those of us who enjoy re-reading your historic work.

Many thanks again and all best wishes to you both.

Urban Harvester said...

Wonderful news! I'm very much looking forward to the new blog, your insights and writings are being missed! -Oliver

Matt said...




Toomas (Tom) Karmo said...


Thanks for this update, JMG (your post, above, "5/8/17, 9:14 PM").

Tom = Toomas Karmo

Myriad said...

Thanks for the update. I for one am still checking from time to time.

In the meantime I've been enjoying an interesting recent biography of Alexander von Humboldt, provocatively titled The Invention of Nature: Alexander von Humboldt's New World, by Andrea Wulf. If Wulf's thesis is valid, then it appears this 18th and early 19th century Prussian chap could be counted among the intellectual founders of multiple facets of not only ecological understanding but also nature-centered and nature-aware spirituality.

Unknown said...

Still waiting patiently.

Those with withdrawl symptoms that persist might enjoy this serial.


eagle eye

João Paulo Carreteiro said...

Thank you very much, Sir. For all the light that you have share with us. I've been a silent reader of your posts since around 2009-10.
I also want to thank to all the people that commented here.

Your blog, through you and through the comments was the door that led me to James Howard Kunstler, Sic Semper Tyrannis, Dimitri Orlov and others. It has been quite a ride and i am very thankful for all this paths that you showed me.

I also like to thank the simple and subtle way you showed me that magic is also a part of the cosmos. I am an atheist and i always, since i can remember, have been one. And you are the only person that i can say that showed to me that another music might vibrate around us and inside us.
I don't know how to put this in words, especially in the foreign words of the English language, but i know that it exists. And it is beautiful. The bizarre thing is that i don't feel a single bit less atheist in my perception of the cosmos. Weird isn't?
Above all i thank you for this felling that you show me to exist in such a subtle way through your writing.

Anyway we are heading to very interesting times and hard ones too.
I wish you, your loved ones and this community a long and joyful life.

JC / Zoompt - Portugal

LunarApprentice said...

I still pop by now and then, mostly looking for a new entry in the ADR. What a pleasant surprise to check in the comments section and see things are still getting posted. I'll be more than delighted to see a return of your blog in a new setting. Will you announce it here?

Thomas Mazanec said...

The Fallacy of Endless Growth

Mike said...

Where have you gone John Michael Greer, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you?

John rockwell said...

Sorry for going off topic. But what are your thoughts on the nature and technology of war after the almost complete dissolution of current industrial tech?

How many of our firearms technology can be built post collapse?

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